The Other 22 Hours

"Artistry flourishes in shared conversation."Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey.Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss, and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-lead conversations - not your typical outsider journalist interviews.

Laurie Berkner on improvising songs, selling back catalogs, and stigmas.
May 14, 2025 – 00:49:22
Denison Witmer on patience, embracing imperfection, and woodworking.
May 7, 2025 – 00:48:35
Valerie June on the law of attraction, a malleable life, and testing limits.
Apr 30, 2025 – 00:47:08
Marla Frazee on creative chronologies, childhood mindsets, and cracking the code.
Apr 23, 2025 – 00:55:27
Rosanne Cash on allowing yourself to be called an artist, respect, and rituals.
Apr 16, 2025 – 00:51:31
Tift Merritt on constant flowering, the growing edge, and sound installations.
Apr 9, 2025 – 00:42:27
Courtney Hartman on regrounding, perpetual choice, and simplicity.
Apr 2, 2025 – 00:52:41
Fancy Hagood on creating your own lane, the gift of delusion, and magic.
Mar 26, 2025 – 00:54:08
Maggie Smith on creative purity, trusting yourself, and arm wrestling.
Mar 19, 2025 – 00:55:37
JD McPherson on the long game, a body of work, and Nick Lowe's advice.
Mar 12, 2025 – 00:54:52
The War and Treaty on living history, intentionality, and roadmaps.
Mar 5, 2025 – 00:45:00
On Family Business: Robert Ellis, Leyla McCalla + Joe Henry
Feb 19, 2025 – 00:46:37
On Self Doubt: Madame Gandhi, Langhorne Slim + Ryan Miller (Guster)
Feb 5, 2025 – 00:43:44
On The Business of DIY: Jesse Boykins III, Laura Veirs, Joe Pug + BJ Barham (American Aquarium)
Jan 22, 2025 – 00:45:55
On Failure: Rodney Crowell, Madi Diaz, Aaron Lee Tasjan.
Jan 8, 2025 – 00:50:38
Chuck Prophet on controlled chaos, learning by doing, and being well-adjusted.
Dec 26, 2024 – 00:44:29
James Vincent McMorrow on shelf life, space to fail, and culty connotations.
Dec 18, 2024 – 01:05:28
Liz Longley on buying your art back, touring as self care, and wilderness.
Dec 11, 2024 – 00:48:51
Tommy Emmanuel on endless experimenting, genre non-conforming, and stage craft.
Dec 4, 2024 – 00:47:48
Caroline Spence on owning your art, accepting evolving goals and dreams, and defining yourself.
Nov 27, 2024 – 00:54:17
Becca Stevens on the intersection of passion and parenthood, creating within grief, and shared calendars.
Nov 20, 2024 – 00:53:45
Brandy Clark on beating self doubt, finding community, and standing out.
Nov 13, 2024 – 00:46:56
Kevn Kinney (Drivin N Cryin) on self healing rock and roll, unlearning, and mixtapes.
Nov 6, 2024 – 00:52:42
Nicki Bluhm + Jesse Noah Wilson on band therapists, learning from elders, and sourdough discard.
Oct 30, 2024 – 00:58:31
John Moreland on staying hands on, timelines, and flip phones.
Oct 23, 2024 – 00:47:56
The Lone Bellow on gut checks, ownership, and healthy conflict.
Oct 16, 2024 – 00:40:59
Tim Easton on dreaming out loud, remaining teachable, and Alaska.
Oct 9, 2024 – 00:53:04
Madi Diaz on creating environments, a cacophony of almosts, and road protein.
Oct 2, 2024 – 00:52:25
Amy Helm on forever learning, self-care like an athlete, and coops.
Sep 25, 2024 – 00:56:52
Nicole Atkins on enjoyment vs achievement, staying child-like, and patience.
Sep 18, 2024 – 00:51:48
Guest Episode: A discussion on Ambition vs Acceptance, on Basic Folk Podcast
Sep 11, 2024 – 01:13:20
Edwin McCain on defining enough, gig snobbery, and grievance farmers.
Sep 4, 2024 – 00:47:43
Joseph on new beginnings, defining a guiding light, and intentionality.
Aug 28, 2024 – 00:55:06
Guest Episode: Sarah Jarosz on Basic Folk Podcast
Aug 21, 2024 – 01:02:06
Miko Marks on grounding, gap years, and the mundane.
Aug 14, 2024 – 00:45:04
Lilly Hiatt on protecting your inner knowing, ditching social media, and transitions in time.
Aug 7, 2024 – 00:52:16
Evan Honer on betting on yourself, boosting others, and mowing lawns.
Jul 31, 2024 – 00:39:54
Jesse Boykins III on knowing your toolbox, galvanizing yourself, and simplifying everything.
Jul 24, 2024 – 00:50:07
Sara + Sean Watkins (Watkins Family Hour) on humbleness, diverse skillsets, and faking it.
Jul 17, 2024 – 01:02:42
Eliot Bronson on surrendering to circumstance, bottom up growth, and being the movie screen.
Jul 10, 2024 – 00:53:04
Rhett Miller on deserving vs entitlement, envy, and spinning plates.
Jul 3, 2024 – 00:56:36
Chris Smither on self motivating, learning when to grip the reins, and books.
Jun 26, 2024 – 00:43:47
Ruby Amanfu on owning your truths, prioritizing personal connection, and swimming to depths.
Jun 19, 2024 – 00:45:16
Jim Sonefeld (Hootie & the Blowfish) on learning by doing, life after the peak, and honest reflection.
Jun 12, 2024 – 00:56:08
Lori McKenna on holding the work in gratitude, carving space, and sign posts.
Jun 5, 2024 – 01:01:33
Tyler Ramsey on finding the right venue, patience in waves, and release releases.
May 29, 2024 – 00:45:31
The Secret Sisters on leveling out, non-linear trajectories, and play.
May 22, 2024 – 00:49:23
The Brother Brothers on authenticity, autonomy and validation, and traveling.
May 15, 2024 – 00:49:00
Guster on running toward fear, trying to fail, and green lights.
May 8, 2024 – 01:03:34
Rissi Palmer on the year of no, speaking for the voiceless, and making the appointment.
May 1, 2024 – 00:46:02

Recent Reviews

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Insightful look into the music industry

As an independent musician , this podcast brings me a lot of joy and solace. Thanks for all the insight and wisdom . Worth a listen for any musician or music fan interest in a clear eyed look into the ups and downs of making a life in the arts .
Wanttoleavereview2

What a Great Show!

This is a great podcast! I am not a music professional - simply try to support them - but I really enjoy this podcast. I loved Mary Chapin Carpenter's interview during Season One and adored the recent episode with Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams. Thanks for your work!
XtinaMae

Love this podcast!

Such a fan of this podcast and love its premise! I so appreciate the refreshing honesty and real conversations with amazing musicians and songwriters. Michaela and Aaron are wonderful and do a fabulous job asking the important questions, and exploring topics that are essential to creatives living balanced, fulfilling lives in our a post-Covid world.
Lil' Q

Love it

Great show. Thoughtful questions, good listeners. The Adia Victoria episode is *wow.*
RsoxBos

Insightful

I love this show, the hosts are great facilitators of the conversation and the guests are well chosen!
lindsaywhite

Great job!

Loved the lastest episode and can’t wait to listen to the others.
Lauren Balthrop

Honest conversations about creativity and staying sane

I am drawing so much inspiration and tools from this podcast for staying sane while balancing a music career with so many other creative ventures. Thanks for talking about the meat of what it is to be artist in today’s world.
Vinylisrad

Great

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therealiblack16

These Guys Are Super Chill

The laidback conversation with these professionals is super calming and relaxing. I like the variety of topics they have while staying focused. This show launched not that long ago either! You need to listen to this show if you’re a music creative, or just a music nerd in general!